ND Miata - Discuss
 

What has everyone heard about this thing? I'm hearing 1.3L Turbo Sky-Active. HP figures are low, but so will the weight. I'd take light weight over high HP any day.

All the photos so far seem to be "Artist Renditions"

So far Mazda has been very tight lipped about the ND. The only real information coming from Mazda HQ is statements debunking the multitude of theories currently spreading via automotive magazines and websites. They released a statement on their Mazda Japan site stating that they have no intentions of making a turbo engine as it would cut down on driving enjoyment, and that they believe that adding smaller turbo engines is the wrong solution to the fuel efficiency/power theory. They have also stated that there is no chance of a rotary roadster. Mazda's idea is to "right size" the engine to the car.

I fear that the days of easily tuning an engine are dwindling down due to all of the nanny electronics and regulations forced upon designers, and hope the ND does not fall victim to this.

Seems like all the latest sources are quoting mazda with saying it will have a 1.3L Turbo. But who really knows I guess. It's still pretty far off.

Well I hope they at least match the power output of the scion gt86. Otherwise It will prob fall on it's face. Plenty of people would opt for a coupe over a convertible.

true true. Although I bet the miata will not be as fat. I've heard 130-160hp. Now if the Miata weighs in at 400-500 lbs less I would pick it even at this power level. Easier to add power than lose weight.

Well apparently the gt86 is something like 2600-2700lbs. So the miata will have to be their goal of 2200... I really doubt they'll reach that.

I've heard some crazy rumors of sub 2000lbs, but I doubt they reach that of course.

Mostly Mazda has said no to FI, but rumors are still floating that it maybe of the boosted sort. Safe to say FI maybe slightly out of the question if they use a sky-activ, considering it runs 14:1 compression ratio.

You never know... Mazda could pull something crazy out of their azz... They are Mazda after all...

A turbo would be huge. And would make me want to buy it more. If they are smart they would.

They better design something quick. Sat in the 2011 miata at the car show this weekend. so unimpressive and expensive.

I kinda liked the 11' PRHT GT package I test drove. The suspension was sloppy as sh*t, but it felt much nicer for dailying over the rough mazdaspeed.

Though, a stock mazdaspeed still wipes the floor with it. Needs some forced induction. I think the only really appealing features were the hard top, heated seats and cruise control. That and it just felt roomier. I wouldn't mind one for daily. Though, I hate drive by wire and traction control.

hehe, I get the feeling that this next miata is going to be the big disappointment. Everyone wants something different. Mazda wants to appear green, we want turbos, many of the actual buyers want a soft suspension and nice ride, I want less weight and a 2.0L/2.3L DI motor and a coupe. Or I will take a rotary.

Just for once, I wish car companies would design a car with the enthusiast in mind that's not $70,000.

Mazda has every other car in their lineup to be eco friendly with. Just give us something! :ohnoes:

Even a power miata would still be fairly eco friendly. I mean with a turbo 1.3L they could still pull 30mpg highway no problem.

Thats the thing! the sky-activ nearly gets that in the city. Trust me, I would love nothing more than a turbo miata with 2000 lb curb weight, but its just not feasible. Especially if they are trying to meet weight reduction goals. Its already unbelievable that they are aiming for a sub 2200 lbs or whatever the lastest number is. Now add in the extra weight from a turbo, intercooler, and all the piping and stuff and that goal just seems impossible.

Anyways, I really really really hope the next miata is at least a 1.6 or a 1.8. Preferrably a 2.0L if you ask me.

Whatever the smallest engine they can squeeze 150whp out of and keep it sub 2200 would be nawz.

So like 20 lbs? take out the spare.

Yea right 20 lbs my ass. try 40-50 lbs. Doesn't seem like much, but when you a re trying to remove anywhere between 300-700 lbs from the miata, adding 40 lbs is certainly a sizeable amount.

Personally I would take an extra 20-40lbs for a turbo. :sign0134:

moar boost fixes weight problems.

I think most of us would, but we make up a small percentage of the demographic. How many of us are ready and willing to actually buy one once it hits the sales floors? I'd wager not many, and that represents a large part of the problem. When we were younger there was a large number of cars offered for enthusiasts. Every manufacturer had one. There were Supra's, Mustangs, MR-2's, the Z cars, the stuff we all aspired to own. But another major difference was that crash and safety standards were not as strict, emissions testing was a joke, who gave a rats ass about MPG, home and property value was cheap, credit was easily available, and jobs were plentiful and well paying. The times have changed, and the majority of those who can afford a new vehicle have different priorities, and are more wanting of practicality vice fun. This has caused the manufacturers to produce what actually sells. Sports cars are not a large part of that. How many sports cars do you see on a afternoon drive? Do you see Miata's or Chargers? Z cars or Scion's? The enthusiast market is still there, but any car company is taking a risk with the design and production. The demographic to which it will sell is very carefully analyzed, and they attempt to provide the best car to satisfy the most people that will buy. I would love a factory turbo, but Mazda is putting a lot on the success of their sky-activ line-up, and unfortunately turbos are not a part of the equation. On the other hand, what if the sky-activ engine is finally easy to make N/A HP? I would be interested to see how it reacts to other modifications.

Skyactiv-D 2.2 turbocharged I4

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^ do want.

I will take it.

everything is turbocharged today. The added weight is nil, and the added performance is great. and the MPG hardly suffers...much better than a v6 pushing the same output.

you may want to correct. it hardly suffers if you can keep your foot out of it.

I want the Mazdaspeed Miata to come back. Then I will track down one to buy 5-6 years from now :D

I really wish mazda had made the Mazdaspeed miata where the 2.3L DISI was taken from the MS3 and put in the miata, detuned to 240 hp.

but noooooo they had to complain about cutting the firewall to fit the HP fuel pump. ------ lazy bums.

Compare the MPG of the Genesis i-4T with that of the V6.

just a bit of a difference, like 4-6mpg. i was just saying in general thats not always the case. for example, the 06 Mustang GT, 03 Eclipse GTS, and My miata, the miata was getting around 24 highway last time i drove it(pre MS), the Mustang was getting between 22-26mpg, and the eclipse gets 26-29. so my 4cyl actually does worse than both a V6 and a V8. :sign0134:
Edit: and just for lolz my 02 Ranger gets 14-19mpg :bang:

21/30 vs 17/26 seems significant enough to me.


My point was that the turbo car makes better mpg, but 90 less hp :(

i see what you did there.

You are also comparing a car from 1992 with a car that is 11 and 14 years newer.

I got 32mpg turbo'ed (GT2560 @ 11psi) all the while beating the ---- out of my miata. MS ftw.

im hoping to get better millage with the ms, maybe i should ms the ranger get maybe 22out of it?

I was getting 27mpg city driving in mine.