RussellT94

Rear visibility in my 96 with the Hardcore wasn't too bad, but a double hoop would be better. Installation is very similar to the Hardcore I previously installed, so I'm not worried about that.

Track, PM me your plans for the weekend please. Depending on your schedule, I may be able to meet up. Thanks!

atlnb

they both get the job done, just depends on price and what you think looks better. I chose Hard Dog for those reasons

Track

mb on not sending you a message! I pm'd you about alternate plans though.

RavynX

Get the Hard Dog Hard Core Double Diagonal. It has 6 points for mounting and has decent visibility out the back. If you plan on doing any SCCA events the double-hoop design will not pass tech inspection.

Mazduh

Bossfrog is actually just north of me. The few installs I've seen them do with their clearview and harness bars are cleeeeeeaaan! Looked almost oem in the car. When I get mine I'm driving up there to have them install it.

RussellT94

Thanks for the advice, but that wasn't one of the options listed. I had a hardcore double diagonal in the past, and want something different now. AFAIK, none of the Hard Dog bars come with a letter from a PE, Boss Frog does. http://www.bossfrog.biz/pdf/BF.Double.Hoop.Testing.pdf

RavynX

Well if you're just going for looks then it really doesn't matter which one you get; it would boil down to just personal preference and which one would clear the top of your head better. Interesting how they got a Mechanical Engineer (not necessarily a PE) to test it out. I still trust real world results more compared to an engineer's calculations & tests not done in the actual car. It's real world results like the photo below that get me to purchase their equipment. I would stick with the Hard Dog (Ace in your case, since that's the only option) but that's also partially because I'm not a fan of the BossFrog Double Maxx design.

RussellT94

The very first post in this thread says I intend to go to the occasional track day, the bar is not for cosmetics.

If you go to a track day with a Track Dog bar, what documentation can you provide that the bar meets SCCA requirements?

Boss Frog compares their bar to the SCCA requirements here http://www.bossfrog.biz/pdf/BF.Doubl...nformation.pdf . I was not able to find similar information for Track Dog bars.

Track

Not true and not true. Its 4 points mounting and I have passed a combined NASA+SCCA tech with the boss frog double. THSCC runs the more stringent regulation of the two, especially when it comes to convertibles. I passed tech like normal and the event steward saw my double and didn't have a problem with it.

The boss frog double is effectively a single hoop for each passenger.

RavynX

Yes, I understand that is in your first post but if it's an "occasional" track day you're most likely not going to be pushing all that hard. Also with your comment stating "I want something different" indicating that it's more of a physical appearance to you than functionality. Forgive me if I took this the wrong way.

The Hard Dog Ace is 4 points, the Hard Dog Hard Core is 6 points. I've installed several myself and know this for sure. There are 3 plates on either side. 1 is near the floor behind the seat, the next bolts in with the seat belt real, and the rear one is near the rear suspension on the side of the fuel tank... that would make 6 points.

It seems like I was misinformed about the Boss Frog not passing SCCA inspection. I will see if I can find that documentation again that my friend pointed out but I would not want to be caught rolling over a barricade with a double-hoop design. This is why I haven't pushed my S2000 on the track and I keep the Miata strictly as my track car.