all of the years.

well right now i drive 60 miles or so a day to school, and when my dad drives it its something like 120 miles a day. besides just the gas milage i like those kind of cars, im not much of a truck person.

ha. I've pretty much decided on it. I think it's the best value, just miss out on AWD. Already have house in the works, and new DD will follow shortly after that...and a new kitty of course.

Since everyone else is threadjacking pirates, I'll join in. DD a Golf R. AWD and refined unlike the MS3. Motor can handle lots of power and plenty of aftermarket adders and 30 mpg is doable with that 2.0T.

Golf R = heavy and expensive and DSG and a VW.

I could pick up a 2011 MS3 with under 10,000 miles for under $20,000, that means I even get a warrenty...

Cant say the same for the VW ('08 R32 20-35K m. ~$25,000), wrx ('08 40-60K m. ~$25,000), or ralliart. That means no warrenty and extra $$$ just for awd.

Agreed. Plus ms3 is mazda son!

That's some pretty pathetic homework. Expensive yes, DSG no, heavy yes it's 44 lbs heavier the Speed3 (3325 verus 3281). Is AWD worth it to me living up north? HELLZ YEAH.

The 08 R32 is DSG and heavier with the 3.2L. I owned one, it was a great car, but got Speed3 gas mileage and I hated the DSG. AWD seems to matter to most people as you see in your own homework, all the examples hold their value much longer than a FWD turbo hatch. To each his own. For me, I will drive my JSW TDI a few more years and then get myself another R.

In the parking lot where I am sitting there is a lowered Golf with its hood up and a fellow with shaved forearms, a t-shirt that is too small, and some sunglasses that I can only assume are quite trendy on top of his head wiggling and poking at items in the engine compartment. His girlfriend is obviously bored, standing with her arms crossed, toying with something on the ground with her shoe, and chewing a piece of gum as mindlessly as a cow masticating her cud. It is the only VW in the lot.

I bet the MS3 windows go back up :) Honestly, I know little about VWs (i didnt know the dsg was an option again), but they still have a horrible rep, and they are too expensive for what they are ($15,000 over my price range for AWD). That's why I keep saying it's too good of a value and since the R is too exspenive, I'd look into R32s. and then I'd be limited to the earlier ones and higher mileage.

I also admit I don't know much about the R32. Although as a former Audi tech I can say oh laaaaaardy the problems I don't even want to begin with. Then again I was working on Audis, and a lot of people clearly spent all their money on the car, with none left for maintenance... "Wait so I just spent 50k and now you want me to spend more to maintain it???!?!?!".