Tim Allen and CR
 

Lets discuss this topic. What do you guys think? Should we be upset that he sold the forum to some outside source over a community member??

I am certainly very upset about that, but I want to know what others have to say. :ohnoes:

i like the small business type setup, so yes im not happy about it. selling it is made him a nice bottom line. im also not liking the new admins tone in some of the posts over there, and admin is not personal enough for a tight knit community such as CR.

I don't really know what all the drama fuss is that goes on on CR since I'm more of a thread leech on there and only go too a few specific threads and rarely venture out.

The few times I've talked to Tim he seemed like a pretty reasonable guy. It seemed like a lot of the members were just complete tools. IMHO if I was the owner of a popular website. I have the right to do w.e the f*ck I want with it. Yes it's good to listen to you're community, but a lot of the bashing I saw going on on facebook etc I thought was uncalled for. Especially the moaning about the donations etc going into Tim's pocket and not toward the site.

Course, I probably don;t know the whole story so my opinion can be changed.

I also never had any problem with mods being twats etc. If you're acting like a twat, their gunna be a twat back to you if you ask me.

I've never viewed CR as a tight knit community. I view this forum and the ms.com forum as tight knit community.

Tim got paid. Thats what people should be saying. The corporate people arent in the wrong, its business. Its the same business Tim was doing before they came along. CR had been for sale for a long time, well before this went down.

Tim sold CR out. That's that. The people should bitch at Tim. CR wont change that much but it will change, for the better or worse, who knows.

Members are welcome here but I personally wont be trying to steer them here as its not my style. This site speaks for itself.

I lurked at CR, but never really participated. I just felt a little out of place there. From what I've read, it could go one of 2 ways. The forum stays the same, or it becomes an ad-infested bastard of a forum like many of the others owned by the same corp. It seemed to me that a lot of people were thinking that CR was going to hell in a handcart anyway. I also don't know what all is involved with running a forum, so I can't say if what Tim did is right for him or the community. Time will tell. I do know that getting big corporations involved rarely makes things better, and often drives them into the ground.

seems kinda shady but would i have done the same thing? probably.... money talks.

seems as though he fulfilled what he set out to do and was ready to let it go.

It's expensive hosting a site that big and that well trafficked. Probably around a high end car payment. I would hate to be paying that every month. Even with sponsors, if you don't really have a good business sense, your pocket can empty really quick.

cool guys. I was upset last night, but after some sleep I am not so upset anymore. Good luck to Tim and CR!

Tim still owns other sites, one of them being small and locally oriented for the Tampa Bay area. He also bought into a small auto repair shop recently, from what I understand. But I don't try to keep up with him/them much.

Most of the time the members make the place and not the host (even though we are lucky enough to have a good host). I've never been attracted to CR simply because I have very little common interest with 50% or more of the clientele. My focus is typically oriented in a practical, functional direction for the betterment of speed and handling characteristics with a sprinkling of tolerability with regard to comfort. I appreciate an attractive car, but not a dysfunctional one, and I think that is where the chasm widens for me.

If Tim looked at CR.net as a business, then he did exactly what he should have. Sold it for the most profit.

If it was a community to him, then that's another story.

Sort of surprised that people are saying sell out and are angry?

Guess I don't understand the politics. Seems like no impact to pretty much everybody from the perspective of a daily user. The members make the community what it is.

He sold the site a year ago. This is the second sale, looks like this time he just actually went through with it.

Tim Allen is shady.

Tim wasnt spending much on hosting, I know.

Well I agree y8s. But, I think Tim Allen could have offered it to the staff for a price, or perhaps to Gary F or even Brain & I. Profit is important when you are running out the door but you can sacrifice some profit to leave the site in the family.

When Tim sold me the site he was cashing out pretty good. Infact, it was so good I had to ask him to prove the numbers he was chalking up cause even I was astonished and the dollars he pulled.

What I think really happened was that he knew Gary F and or MT could have got CR. But even back in the day he was only interested in ensuring his legacy and that when he embarks on his real life he will always be known as the best independent owner of CR and though he got paid by VS, they will in turn be villains. Look at the threads now, its exactly what he wanted. He looks like the poor hero who had to sell out to big corporate Canada.

Tim Allen may have had a valid reason to sell but I think he went about doing it the wrong way. Id be curious to know how many moderators he offered the site to at a discount....I bet 0.

Other than that I take no real issue with him selling, it was his site, his rules, his time and effort he got paid for. Hopefully he give a kick back to the staff who got him there because without them, hes just a man who stole an actors name.

Well, personally I think Tim is a bit of a bottom feeder white trash pos. But that's only because his word isn't worth . Should they be mad he sold, not really. They certainly shouldn't be mad at the people who bought it. Tim Allen is the one who sold, if people have a gripe it should be with him right now though that will change little, there is no going back.

Tim has already been silenced over there. This migration and change over goes very fast, VS uses a technical discovery so that things go very quick..... Domain Transfer takes less than 30 minutes, migration takes Tim no time since they handle it all. The only reason I can see people being mad at Tim Allen right now is because he cares so much about the community but doesn't have the sense to reply and or didn't have the sense to talk to some of the staff before selling to them....again, his site and people should be happy that he gave them a platform to play on.

As for change. It may or may not come with VS. On a site I am very familiar that they kept it "the same" which included an increase of 9 ad positions above and beyond what was already there. They arent horrible ad positions so I certainly wouldn't say they impact the community in a negative way. However, site support will be limited or next to nothing once things get rolling again. We are talking about 2-4 people who work 9-5 handling 140+ forums at VS. It will be key for VS to have amazing staff in place on CR for the site to keep running smooth. Its totally possible. VS isn't the devil but they can be the building owner who doesn't fix stuff who literally lets the tenants walk out.

People are upset because they thought Tim was in it for more than the money and that proved to be false. I've honestly never really been a huge fan of CR. It was a good place to buy things and a good place to see some nice pictures but other than that it honestly felt pretty lifeless to me. I've been a member of a lot of forums, and I've been a mod on some as well. Out of all of my posts on CR I don't think anyone ever responded to a single thing I said. No one even bothered to comment on my project thread, which in my opinion is pretty lame. Especially considering the fact that if I had 1500 to spend on wheels the thread would have blown up.

I'm thinking with the smaller member base here it'll be much better. I also think there will be a flood of people here and the other forum, the name of which I cannot remember, but with both options there the crowd will eventually arrange itself in a comfortable configuration and both forums will likely do just fine.

I already like it here more.

Well put,

Seems shady him getting aggressive with donations though towards the end, chances are he knew this was coming for sometime....

Yea, CR is very lame unless you fall in the strict category of expensive jdm wheels and Teins.

With that said, I am not so sure there will be a large flood of people over here. I certainly think the flooding that happened last night to mazdaroadster was due in large part to people reading fooschnickens and python's posts about how CR was ruined. Include all the I was posting about VS and how they have a big tendency to ruin forums, either by changing rules, increasing ads, or jumping up sponsorship fees.

One thing you are right about though, is that this forum is small and its pretty solid. Generally, we get along, and I think most people speak on personable basis rather than internet penis-sizing.

I have a tendency to be random and obnoxious sometimes, so excuse me...
https://www.miataforumz.com/attachme...ine=1325804720

https://www.miataforumz.com/attachme...ine=1325804581

He did.

As for the randomness... BOB SAGET.

Damn Rick, you gotta stop converting my GIFs into jpegs man.

Random!
 

^^F*ck! Makes me laugh every damn time... hahahahaha

I would have commented on your project just because it seems like the right thing to do if you read the whole thing. At least give a guy some props or help or advice or find something pertinent to say. It's like a neighbor speaking to you. You at least acknowledge them and speak back. Some people have no upbringing at all, lol.

That's Why I like Steve. Manners and courtesy.

I'm in it for the money, does that bother you guys?

i'm only in it to push my liberal agenda.

shhh...don't tell Brain. He will start preaching over here too! :p

so long as you keep it in the politics section. Me and y8s are bros for sho', we pump iron together.

I know about you two. You guys like getting stuck under cars...in the rain...together...how romantic!

Isn't every miata owner in it for the money and bitches? :p

bears maybe.

i dont get under the car. scott is my bitch.

hehe, no wonder he didn't comment ;)

too busy makin skrilla.

you had me confused.. at first i read beer.. then i realized we were talking Miata related... sooo.. here it is, your very first bear from me.

LOL! It is even worse than you are imagining.

Silly Canadian...

You bitch! thats my picture! :mad:

lol it is funny though.
And lol at rick... just... lol

I cant believe your middle name is BUZZ KILL :bang: