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Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 9486)
Implement Fair Tax (flat sales tax on retail sale of new items) and eliminate current tax code and disband IRS. Problem solved.
Secondly, this form of taxation is extremely regressive. It's actually the singularly most regressive form of taxation I've seen legitimately proposed in the US government in it's history. To put it more simply, the less you make, the more you pay proportionally in taxes with the Fair Tax - this is in conjunction with numerous other hidden, federal or state taxes that are regressive in nature that our current income tax actually offset to turn into a somewhat neutral to slightly progressive system. The flat tax is not "flat" in any way, shape, or form. If you want a "flat tax" that has no regressive or progressive taxation leanings like it's proponents pitch, create a straight X% (I.e., 15%) income tax on any income taken by anyone. Regressive taxes are an extremely bad public policy decision, and should never be advocated seriously by...anyone. I personally advocate for capital gains tax applied to any and all incomes taken in. Simple, easy, and almost completely eliminates the need for the IRS. However, anyone who tells you that they have a plan for removing the IRS completely without completely removing taxes is lying to you. |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 9485)
Actually, Brainy, Germany does almost exactly what RedTurboMiata proposes, and they don't have any of the problems you claim they do
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Originally Posted by MF-Brain
(Post 9528)
they also don't have any natural resources.
Germany is the world's top producer of brown coal, among other things. Germany is actually fairly affluent when it comes to natural resources Brainy. Bad Brainy, bad! |
Maybe I meant like oil or ggas or something. Anywa it was nevver a valid argument.
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Originally Posted by MF-Brain
(Post 9539)
Maybe I meant like oil or ggas or something. Anywa it was nevver a valid argument.
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yes. of course it wasn't.
I better argument would be something like this: http://danieljmitchell.files.wordpre...pg?w=500&h=295 This is probably a better reason as to why their economy is so strong...the burden of government spending has increased faster in the United States. And as Mitchell's Golden Rule would state: Good fiscal policy exists when the private sector grows faster than the public sector, while fiscal ruin is inevitable if government spending grows faster than the productive part of the economy. And this might be another reason: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...onique-de-rugy "...their changes to labor-market laws ten years ago, and in particular to unemployment policies, could be at the core of the economic success mentioned above. One of the goals of that reform was to enable Germans to get “mini-jobs” without a large penalty and to make unemployment relatively uncomfortable so that people would look for jobs." and this is just a reason taxing importants is silly:"Germany spent more than 30 times as much collecting taxes on coffee beans ordered online from abroad than it received in the tax revenues, the accounting office said on Tuesday. Some 4,000 Germans who bought coffee over the Internet from other EU countries but failed to pay the coffee tax have been charged between a few cents to 10 euros ($14.81) in taxes and fees, said Dieter Engels, head of Germany’s Federal Accounting Office. Tax collectors ended up with just 25,000 euros, way below the 800,000 euros in the costs of staff charged with collecting the payments, Engels said." |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 9520)
Every time I hear this statement, I lol. I'm sorry, but the Fair Tax will not get rid of the IRS in any way, shape, or form. It will merely change the focus of the operations. This is a popular myth perpetuated by several Flat Tax lobbyists and advocates that are, frankly, willing to lie their asses off for personal gain.
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 9520)
Secondly, this form of taxation is extremely regressive. It's actually the singularly most regressive form of taxation I've seen legitimately proposed in the US government in it's history. To put it more simply, the less you make, the more you pay proportionally in taxes with the Fair Tax - this is in conjunction with numerous other hidden, federal or state taxes that are regressive in nature that our current income tax actually offset to turn into a somewhat neutral to slightly progressive system.
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 9520)
The flat tax is not "flat" in any way, shape, or form. If you want a "flat tax" that has no regressive or progressive taxation leanings like it's proponents pitch, create a straight X% (I.e., 15%) income tax on any income taken by anyone. Regressive taxes are an extremely bad public policy decision, and should never be advocated seriously by...anyone.
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 9520)
I personally advocate for capital gains tax applied to any and all incomes taken in. Simple, easy, and almost completely eliminates the need for the IRS. However, anyone who tells you that they have a plan for removing the IRS completely without completely removing taxes is lying to you.
How would this be regressive when the rich obviously buy more lavish items and more new items in every aspect of their lives than the poor? As you know, there is no tax on any used items such as automobiles. Knee jerk reactions like yours make discussing these items difficult because of the lack of understanding you possess regarding the things you are vilifying. You should at least try to understand it before jumping to criticism. It would certainly make your criticism more valid. If you don't know anything about it, maybe you should do some reading. You might actually find real things to hate. |
tax you like Canadians.
kill immigration of the illegal kind. increase fire arms licensing costs (lol) tax imports stop lending money to other countries who will never pay it back. kill all unions roll deep in my air force one wearing my air force ones... holla |
Originally Posted by MF-Rick
(Post 9648)
tax you like Canadians.
kill immigration of the illegal kind. increase fire arms licensing costs (lol) tax imports stop lending money to other countries who will never pay it back. kill all unions roll deep in my air force one wearing my air force ones... holla and in ohio there is no licensing cost unless its for conceal and carry permit. rifles and shotguns are not even registered with the state, so they basically have no clue whats out there :ohnoes: |
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