sixshooter

Eliminate all unconstitutional operations of the federal government. Implement Fair Tax (flat sales tax on retail sale of new items) and eliminate current tax code and disband IRS. Problem solved.

Heavy tax burdens lifted on individuals and businesses, then people will be employed by businesses using the newly found funds. Likewise individuals will have much more discretionary income and will buy goods and services spurring huge economic growth and further job creation. Entrepreneurship will skyrocket as new business are created. We will need to start importing people to work because we will have so many more good paying jobs than people to fill them.

How many of these federal agencies are actually constitutionally allowed? Not most of them by far.

A:

• Access Board
• Administration for Children and Families (ACF)
• Administration for Native Americans
• Administration on Aging (AoA)
• Administration on Developmental Disabilities
• Administrative Committee of the Federal Register
• Administrative Conference of the United States
• Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts
• Advisory Council on Historic Preservation
• African Development Foundation
• Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ)
• Agency for International Development
• Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
• Agricultural Marketing Service
• Agricultural Research Service
• Agriculture Department
• Air and Radiation Hotline
• Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (Treasury)
• Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Bureau (Justice)
• American Battle Monuments Commission
• AmeriCorps Recruiting
• AMTRAK (National Railroad Passenger Corporation)
• Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
• Antitrust Division
• Appalachian Regional Commission
• Architect of the Capitol
• Archives (National Archives and Records Administration)
• Arctic Research Commission
• Arms Control and International Security
• Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Interagency Coordinating Committee

B:

• Barry M. Goldwater Scholarship and Excellence in Education Foundation
• Bonneville Power Administration
• Botanic Garden
• Broadcasting Board of Governors (Voice of America, Radio|TV Marti and more)
• Bureau of Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade (Treasury)
• Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (Justice)
• Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
• Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection
• Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
• Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
• Bureau of Industry and Security
• Bureau of International Labor Affairs
• Bureau of Justice Statistics
• Bureau of Labor Statistics
• Bureau of Land Management (BLM)
• Bureau of Prisons
• Bureau of Reclamation
• Bureau of the Engraving and Printing
• Bureau of the Public Debt
• Bureau of Transportation Statistics

C:

• Capitol Visitor Center
• Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition
• Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
• Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)
• Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board
• Chief Acquisition Officers Council
• Chief Financial Officers Council
• Chief Human Capital Officers Council
• Chief Information Officers Council
• Citizens' Stamp Advisory Committee
• Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
• Civilian Radioactive Waste Management
• Commerce Department
• Commission on Civil Rights
• Commission on Fine Arts
• Commission on International Religious Freedom
• Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (Helsinki Commission)
• Committee for Purchase from People Who Are Blind or Severely Disabled
• Committee for the Implementation of Textile Agreements
• Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States
• Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS)
• Community Planning and Development
• Compliance, Office of
• Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US CERT)
• Congressional Budget Office (CBO)
• Congressional Research Service
• Constitution Center
• Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
• Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)
• Coordinating Council on Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention
• Corporation for National and Community Service
• Council of Economic Advisers
• Council on Environmental Quality

I'm tired of posting them but you get the idea.

blaen99

Every time I hear this statement, I lol. I'm sorry, but the Fair Tax will not get rid of the IRS in any way, shape, or form. It will merely change the focus of the operations. This is a popular myth perpetuated by several Flat Tax lobbyists and advocates that are, frankly, willing to lie their asses off for personal gain.

Secondly, this form of taxation is extremely regressive. It's actually the singularly most regressive form of taxation I've seen legitimately proposed in the US government in it's history. To put it more simply, the less you make, the more you pay proportionally in taxes with the Fair Tax - this is in conjunction with numerous other hidden, federal or state taxes that are regressive in nature that our current income tax actually offset to turn into a somewhat neutral to slightly progressive system.

The flat tax is not "flat" in any way, shape, or form. If you want a "flat tax" that has no regressive or progressive taxation leanings like it's proponents pitch, create a straight X% (I.e., 15%) income tax on any income taken by anyone. Regressive taxes are an extremely bad public policy decision, and should never be advocated seriously by...anyone.

I personally advocate for capital gains tax applied to any and all incomes taken in. Simple, easy, and almost completely eliminates the need for the IRS. However, anyone who tells you that they have a plan for removing the IRS completely without completely removing taxes is lying to you.

MF-Brain

iTrader: (1)

they also don't have any natural resources.

blaen99

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geograp...ural_resources

Germany is the world's top producer of brown coal, among other things. Germany is actually fairly affluent when it comes to natural resources Brainy. Bad Brainy, bad!

MF-Brain

iTrader: (1)

Maybe I meant like oil or ggas or something. Anywa it was nevver a valid argument.

blaen99

Braiinnyy, did you just admit that your natural resource argument was not valid?

MF-Brain

iTrader: (1)

yes. of course it wasn't.

I better argument would be something like this:



This is probably a better reason as to why their economy is so strong...the burden of government spending has increased faster in the United States. And as Mitchell's Golden Rule would state: Good fiscal policy exists when the private sector grows faster than the public sector, while fiscal ruin is inevitable if government spending grows faster than the productive part of the economy.

And this might be another reason: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...onique-de-rugy
and this is just a reason taxing importants is silly:

sixshooter

I believe I said that I would eliminate the IRS, not that the Fair Tax would eliminate it.

Actually, you don't know what you are talking about so it is nearly pointless to argue this with you. Are you familiar with the PREbate associated with the Fair Tax proposal?

Who said anything about a flat tax besides you?

The Fair Tax is a consumption tax, as in a national sales tax on all new goods sold, just like the existing state and local sales taxes and is collected at the point of sale in exactly the same way. Just as the local municipal, county, and state taxes are lumped together at the point of service and appear seamless to the purchaser, but are divvied up and passed on to the respective agencies, so too would this be added and passed along.

How would this be regressive when the rich obviously buy more lavish items and more new items in every aspect of their lives than the poor? As you know, there is no tax on any used items such as automobiles.

Knee jerk reactions like yours make discussing these items difficult because of the lack of understanding you possess regarding the things you are vilifying. You should at least try to understand it before jumping to criticism. It would certainly make your criticism more valid. If you don't know anything about it, maybe you should do some reading. You might actually find real things to hate.

MF-Rick

tax you like Canadians.
kill immigration of the illegal kind.
increase fire arms licensing costs (lol)
tax imports
stop lending money to other countries who will never pay it back.
kill all unions

roll deep in my air force one wearing my air force ones... holla

RedTurboMiata

I dont see why we insist on lending money to countries who cant afford to pay it back.
and in ohio there is no licensing cost unless its for conceal and carry permit. rifles and shotguns are not even registered with the state, so they basically have no clue whats out there