Speed3 vs. All
02-13-2012, 10:58 PM
#21
I've owned two audis b5 s4 and 4.2L a6. Both were fantastic, when they were running. That was the problem with them. I've owned three vws 08 r32 and my current JSW TDI and Touareg and i haven't had the problems I had with the Audis. Even the Treg has been fine which I wasn't sure about as it to has the 4.2L and air suspension. All I can figure is the VWs aren't as complex as their Audi siblings. It was mostly electronics that were failing me on the audis with the exception of the tranny I blew in the s4. They sent that back to Germany to tear down.
The new R fixes what I hated about my old R32 and while I love my JSW, I miss that fat little piggy. I'll wait a few years for them to depreciate and then replace the JSW TDI for one. With the new very capable 2.0t I can have power and decent fuel economy and a blast driving again.
After going to the Auto Show I also have fallen in love with new Subie BRZ. I think after the Miata becomes track only I will get a used BRZ as my summer fun/future track toy. I can't wait to see what the STi version and aftermarket will be on it. It's gorgeous in person.
The new R fixes what I hated about my old R32 and while I love my JSW, I miss that fat little piggy. I'll wait a few years for them to depreciate and then replace the JSW TDI for one. With the new very capable 2.0t I can have power and decent fuel economy and a blast driving again.
After going to the Auto Show I also have fallen in love with new Subie BRZ. I think after the Miata becomes track only I will get a used BRZ as my summer fun/future track toy. I can't wait to see what the STi version and aftermarket will be on it. It's gorgeous in person.
02-14-2012, 09:23 AM
#24
I've always wanted a Genesis coupe with Euro tails, less power and a rinky dink interior... 
I was thoroughly unimpressed with the BRZ. Honestly, I'm unimpressed by everything Subaru is doing lately...
Back to the R, I'm looking to purchase towards the end of this year. I can't wait 10 years for the R to depreciate enough to be worth while. I gave myself an abritray budget of 20K. This will be a DD that I won't modify whatsoever. the R is priced st $35K right now. That's rediculous. The only advatange it has over the MS3 is the AWD system, and an ipod hookup. So lets say I was to buy one new today and had 5K to put down the difference is about $150 extra a month for 6 years...just to have AWD? No way.
At $35K, I'd rather have something else completely, that's a completely different class of car. At around $25K the MS3 [and WRX] makes sense to me, especially considering what you can get them used for--I don't buy new. So as of now, the R is not on my radar, but the R32 would be, and it's really not much cheaper. But honestly of all the cars, the VW is last on my list...it just doesn't do it for me.
I'd really like to own a "widebody" '10-11 WRX, but again due to the cult following, they are priced too high for what they are. I've been looking and it takes an ugly *** boring plain jane base '08 WRX model with 50K on the clock to get it below $20K; that sucks. That means no warrenty and I'm left with a cheap-looking boring car with a heafty price tag. I was really deadset on an AWD turbo car, but it seems like I'd have to compromise on other things to get it, like spend more or get a boring car without any umphf or pizzaz. Like a legacy GT or Volvo T5 trim or an A4 or something. And I don't want to get an 06-07 model--I want something newer that I plan to hold onto for a good 10 years or so.
And while the AWD would be nice, it's not nessecary, I've got along just fine in my FWD cars in winter...there's only 1 big snow storm a year here typically and while I have got stuck a few times, I can just get a set of snow tires if I really care. I just thought AWD would be cool to have the one car I know we could at least make it to town in a snow storm...but even then I'd have to buy a set of All-Seasons in the least.
So for me, considering I want an unmolested DD that could possibly have a warrenty period, the MS3 makes sense. Who knows, I might drive the WRX and think otherwise...but I haven't got to that point yet. I've driven a few M3 hatches and was impressed, just not a MS3 package, and they one thing I didn't like was simply the lack of power.
I'm curious to see what the Focus ST will be priced at...that's another option...but I think it will have the same problem as the VW...too new and expensive for what it is.
I was thoroughly unimpressed with the BRZ. Honestly, I'm unimpressed by everything Subaru is doing lately...
Back to the R, I'm looking to purchase towards the end of this year. I can't wait 10 years for the R to depreciate enough to be worth while. I gave myself an abritray budget of 20K. This will be a DD that I won't modify whatsoever. the R is priced st $35K right now. That's rediculous. The only advatange it has over the MS3 is the AWD system, and an ipod hookup. So lets say I was to buy one new today and had 5K to put down the difference is about $150 extra a month for 6 years...just to have AWD? No way.
At $35K, I'd rather have something else completely, that's a completely different class of car. At around $25K the MS3 [and WRX] makes sense to me, especially considering what you can get them used for--I don't buy new. So as of now, the R is not on my radar, but the R32 would be, and it's really not much cheaper. But honestly of all the cars, the VW is last on my list...it just doesn't do it for me.
I'd really like to own a "widebody" '10-11 WRX, but again due to the cult following, they are priced too high for what they are. I've been looking and it takes an ugly *** boring plain jane base '08 WRX model with 50K on the clock to get it below $20K; that sucks. That means no warrenty and I'm left with a cheap-looking boring car with a heafty price tag. I was really deadset on an AWD turbo car, but it seems like I'd have to compromise on other things to get it, like spend more or get a boring car without any umphf or pizzaz. Like a legacy GT or Volvo T5 trim or an A4 or something. And I don't want to get an 06-07 model--I want something newer that I plan to hold onto for a good 10 years or so.
And while the AWD would be nice, it's not nessecary, I've got along just fine in my FWD cars in winter...there's only 1 big snow storm a year here typically and while I have got stuck a few times, I can just get a set of snow tires if I really care. I just thought AWD would be cool to have the one car I know we could at least make it to town in a snow storm...but even then I'd have to buy a set of All-Seasons in the least.
So for me, considering I want an unmolested DD that could possibly have a warrenty period, the MS3 makes sense. Who knows, I might drive the WRX and think otherwise...but I haven't got to that point yet. I've driven a few M3 hatches and was impressed, just not a MS3 package, and they one thing I didn't like was simply the lack of power.
I'm curious to see what the Focus ST will be priced at...that's another option...but I think it will have the same problem as the VW...too new and expensive for what it is.
02-14-2012, 09:55 AM
#27
BAMFr
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I am annoyed they put prius tires on it. Pretty sure I was the only one on CR who gave two ***** that toyota sounded like total ****** when they said it doesn't need sticky tires.
Beyond that, I am all 100% for more rwd sub 25k cars. We sure could use more of them.
Beyond that, I am all 100% for more rwd sub 25k cars. We sure could use more of them.
02-14-2012, 10:15 AM
#29
It's unclear whether the STi version will come out with a Churbo or not. I think Subie would be very dumb not to Force induction that little monster. I am a bit disappointed in the RedLine on that NA engine though. But, Brain, if your can turbo a Miata, surely you can turbo a Subie/Toyoda.
02-14-2012, 10:24 AM
#30
Sure I could, but I'm not going to. I don't need to ruin a brand new car with thousands in aftermarket parts and deal with ecu bs on an odbII while still under warrenty on what would be my DD.
I'd rather just buy a genesis, which looks EXACTLY the same [with a nicer interior mind you], and turn up the boost and blow the Light BReeZ out of the water.
I'd rather just buy a genesis, which looks EXACTLY the same [with a nicer interior mind you], and turn up the boost and blow the Light BReeZ out of the water.