hustler

I don't have the same ride height issues as the NB guys, its completely accurate to call it dual purpose in my experience. Eventually my 5100s will go on my daily and I'll get Xidas for the track car.

Track

^Sounds good. You guys are probably right anyways, I am sure they are comfy just really low. Our streets suck here and I have to deal with bumps frequently, so that might be an issue for me (although driving with 6-points doesn't seem to be so far).

Good to see you on here hustler.

What are the 5100s?

hustler

Basically, what I know is the 5100's were the standard shock and 949/AST made them better with 949 requests. The big difference on mine is the emulsion rears which is inferior to the new, Xida design. I don't know any of the AST secrets but these shocks have a good amount of magical pixie dust in them. I think the general idea is that you let the spring handle the highspeed compression (more than a typical shock) and while you still get "stiff" low speed compression. I don't know a lot about how shocks work because its so complex, so this is just a guess. Another cool part about the shocks is how one click of adjustment on one end of the car makes "the right amount" of adjustment. When you slam them soft for the rain, the valving gets soft and you make a ton of grip. If the track is green and I'm drifting everywhere, one click brings the rear back into place. The car also rides great on the track, with the 300lb trailer, or on it's monthly trip to work. The rain was really a trip at the last two track days. The car will get out of shape and snap back straight, violently...but perfectly straight, in the dry is comes back easily. I've done a really good job keeping the car on track with these shocks, better than ever before and I'm starting to drive with larger ***** these days. The best way to describe it is to say "the car drives like its on tank treads."

Big bumps are not a problem with my track car and I am tucking tire in the front, almost tucking in the rear (4" front, 4.25" or so rear). I drive over speed bumps to get into my apartment and the track car sucks them up nicely. On the track, it runs over the curbing like it's not there. It was pretty cool to give rides at the end of the day at Maitas at Hallett, everyone gets out and says "Its so smooth!!!"

Track

sounds like what I need! might have helped with my mid-kink spin out since my instructor said its likely due to chassis upset:
http://vimeo.com/30829453

Tell me what you think Masta Hustler!
at about 13:30.

you can check out some of my earlier laps (particularly at 5:33) and see that my steering is actually about the same. Initially I thought I dialed in too much steering on my spin.

sixshooter

It looked like there was some vertical movement after you started the turn. Is the track surface undulating slightly there?

hustler

It looks like you should have planned ahead for that hump rather than worry about suspension stuffs.

Track

I was thinking "bumps would not be a problem with my track car"...if I had Xidas.

hustler

I didn't watch the video, this time I did. I think that is a place where good shocks can make a difference, but you still have to plan for it. I run HHR which is a horrifically bumpy track, I can get all 4 tires off the ground in two places...and still take lines that people tell me not to because of the bumps. They don't make the car magical or anything, just easy to drive and very smooth.

Track

yea, I am just being a smart ***. I think ultimately I turned in early due to anxiousness, too much bump, landed on the bump stops and the rear kicked out.Shocks might have helped, but I don't think so. At least not on stock spring rates. One thing is for sure, snap oversteer is in every ------- car.

Have you changed your CA bushings yet Trey?

The Driver

NA Tokico Illuminas, NB Top hats (should've gone with NB Tokicos and NB FM springs), Red Dot, Blue Dot springs, FM Sways and RB end links.



FM VMaxxs are on the horizon...